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god bless america. and god bless each and every one of you. >> hello. >> hi. >> hope i didn't let you down. >> no, sir. you got your points over. and now you've got et set right and move on. you're right where you ought to be. >> well, it's a tough thing, bob, for you and john and the rest. but i'm never going to discuss this son of a bitching watergate thing again. all the rest are waiting to see what the polls show. let me say you're a strong man, and i love you. i love john and all the rest. by god, keep the faith, keep the faith. you're going to win this son of a bitch. >> absolutely. >> i don't know whether you can get any reactions and call me back. would you mind? >> i don't think i can. >> i agree. don't call a soul. the hell with it. let me just say from me to you, any cabinet officer except weinberger, and thank god and no staff member. >> the board says they were instructed not to put any calls through. >> the hell with that. i told them to put all the calls through. >> that may be why you ha
god bless america. and god bless each and every one of you. >> hello. >> hi. >> hope i didn't let you down. >> no, sir. you got your points over. and now you've got et set right and move on. you're right where you ought to be. >> well, it's a tough thing, bob, for you and john and the rest. but i'm never going to discuss this son of a bitching watergate thing again. all the rest are waiting to see what the polls show. let me say you're a strong man, and i love you....
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(applause) look, america, america, look at me. our elections do not need to take as long as they currently do. there is another way. and the proof of that have is right under your feet-- through several layers across the mud, australia. >> prime minister kevin rudd has put an end to weeks of speculation, he's called an election for september 7. >> john: the whole election season is just one month long. four weeks! that's like only three new iphones from now! (laughter) you know what that means? we need to launch our full coverage of down-under-cision 2013. (laughter) (as an australian) that's not a campaign, this is a campaign! brought to you by koalas. koalas, like if teddy bears were alive and surprisingly aggressive. koalas. australia might have something to teach us when it comes to democracy starting with this: >> in australia, they have a compulsory voting system so everyone is required to register to vote and to turn out to vote and if they don't they're fined. >> that's right, it's illegal not to vote there. they spend a h
(applause) look, america, america, look at me. our elections do not need to take as long as they currently do. there is another way. and the proof of that have is right under your feet-- through several layers across the mud, australia. >> prime minister kevin rudd has put an end to weeks of speculation, he's called an election for september 7. >> john: the whole election season is just one month long. four weeks! that's like only three new iphones from now! (laughter) you know what...
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[all cheering] - ♪ america is back ♪ america is back - wait, according to that scale, i still have a small wiener! - ♪ america is back - i'm still [bleep] angry! - ♪ back and we're back and we're back ♪ ♪ we're so back, we're so back ♪ ♪ back back back back back ♪ captioning sponsored by comedy central from comedy central's world news headquarters in new york, this is the daily show with jon stewart. [ cheers and applause ] >> john: welcome to the daily show. [ cheers and applause ] my name is john oliver. i am still sitting in for jon stewart who has been spending the entire summer at training camp with the new york giants. apparently he's extremely happy and in almost constant pain. our guest tonight tv legend and host of the new show crowd goes wild on fox 1 regis philbin is here. [ cheers and applause ] oh, yes, indeed. we start tonight with the news media. now, personally i get all my news from jon stewart and the daily show. which is why i have absolutely no idea what's been happening this summer. but apparently some people get their current affairs from newspaper
[all cheering] - ♪ america is back ♪ america is back - wait, according to that scale, i still have a small wiener! - ♪ america is back - i'm still [bleep] angry! - ♪ back and we're back and we're back ♪ ♪ we're so back, we're so back ♪ ♪ back back back back back ♪ captioning sponsored by comedy central from comedy central's world news headquarters in new york, this is the daily show with jon stewart. [ cheers and applause ] >> john: welcome to the daily show. [ cheers...
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i don't think even michael davis and the pretty blonde is going to be able to sell cricket to america. >> you never heard of gorgey thompson. >> john: i do. she knows you and i've been asking her about you. >> john: whoa! after the show we'll talk. john: she's fantastic. she was on the news for years. >> ten years. john: good luck selling cricket. >> do you play cricket. john: you know what? everything in britain is class based. so cricket is for posh people. >> really? john: that's not for the likes of me. i know i sound like it. >> what sport did you play as a kid growing up. >> john: soccer. religiously. >> it's a big deal. it's getting bigger and bigger in america. >> john: i want to be a soccer player more than anything else. this was very much plan-b. >> how in the world did this happen? you wanted to play soccer and here you are. >> john: it was a complete lack of physical ability. and that's all. >> you couldn't kick the ball. john: are you a frustrated athlete as well? >> i used to play in bronx park. john: play what? baseball. john: classic. a little football. yeah, sure. >>
i don't think even michael davis and the pretty blonde is going to be able to sell cricket to america. >> you never heard of gorgey thompson. >> john: i do. she knows you and i've been asking her about you. >> john: whoa! after the show we'll talk. john: she's fantastic. she was on the news for years. >> ten years. john: good luck selling cricket. >> do you play cricket. john: you know what? everything in britain is class based. so cricket is for posh people....
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let's talk about race in america. >> talk about it too much. you think race is talked about too much. >> it is. the fact that we keep talking about the problem exacerbates the problem. >> perfect. let's not talk about race at all. >> the black people talk about race all the time. it's something we have to deal with all the time. >> white privilege affects every aspect of your life. >> my white privilege? it's part of your identity. it's at the intersection of a lot of different things. >> part of the privilege of being white is you don't have to feel uncomfortable just existing and thinking a police officer is going to profile you for what you look like. >> hot in here. this is not necessarily just a black issue. >> you see latinos and arabs being persecuted because of the color of their skin. >> if the name was rasawn williams they would lock this. .. >> this is called... a condition that causes me to sweat when i think things are going great. >> it is a tiny bit hard to have this conversation. >> why bring it up if if it's not a problem with
let's talk about race in america. >> talk about it too much. you think race is talked about too much. >> it is. the fact that we keep talking about the problem exacerbates the problem. >> perfect. let's not talk about race at all. >> the black people talk about race all the time. it's something we have to deal with all the time. >> white privilege affects every aspect of your life. >> my white privilege? it's part of your identity. it's at the intersection of...
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well, tim miller is with that super pac america rising. neera tanden is president of the center for american progress and has known hillary for 20 years working with her in the white house, the senate and her 2008 presidential campaign. tim, if i'm terry mcauliffe, maybe i like the linkage you're providing. her numbers not just in virginia but all across the country are incredibly strong. smart as a matter of fact, hillary clinton is leading in five prospective republican presidential candidates. the only one that comes within a margin of error is new jersey governor chris christie who clinton leads by one point. according to latest poll in virginia, clinton beats jeb bush in virginia by five points and three other potential rivals trail her by double digits in virginia. hillary outperforms the state's current governor bob mcdonald by ten points and she trounces florida senator marco rubio and kentucky senator rand paul by 12 points each. respond to that please. >> it's pretty early for these polls. i'll give you one example of why the cli
well, tim miller is with that super pac america rising. neera tanden is president of the center for american progress and has known hillary for 20 years working with her in the white house, the senate and her 2008 presidential campaign. tim, if i'm terry mcauliffe, maybe i like the linkage you're providing. her numbers not just in virginia but all across the country are incredibly strong. smart as a matter of fact, hillary clinton is leading in five prospective republican presidential...
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what we saw in this election is red america became redder and blue america became bluer. there were very few states in this election that were competitive. there were only, i believe, four states out of the entire country where the margin was five points or fewer. >> rose: i want to pick up on that. how did we get to that point? is it redistricting? what is it that has made america red and blue and redder and bluer? >> a couple things. one is that there has been a great sorting out of the parties, as others have described brilliantly over the years. each party used to be a coalition of liberals, moderates, and conservatives. the old democratic party was southern conservatives and northern liberals, and the republican party had northeast liberals and conservatives from the midwest and elsewhere. over the last 25 years, people have gone to the sidelines of one party or the other so that the republican party is now much more conservative than it was and the democratic party is more liberal than it was. and so party identification becomes the great predictor of how people are
what we saw in this election is red america became redder and blue america became bluer. there were very few states in this election that were competitive. there were only, i believe, four states out of the entire country where the margin was five points or fewer. >> rose: i want to pick up on that. how did we get to that point? is it redistricting? what is it that has made america red and blue and redder and bluer? >> a couple things. one is that there has been a great sorting out...
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yeah, and i had never been to america before. >> rose: first time you had ever been to america. >> yeah is so it was-- it moved fast, to the point that my stuff is still in storeage in london, that's how fast moves. so there is a time capsule of my previous life in south london. >> rose: what were you doing in london. >> i was doing staun, i was writing comedy for various tv shows and watching the daily show because i loved that was for me the high standard of satire and political comedy on television. that is what i wanted to do in england. and it was very difficult. and i was not, my intention was not to join the thing i loved. >> rose: what is interesting, and i think a lot of people would agree with that, is that we often thought that the best, the best of is a tire had to be in london, for a long time, way back to that were the week that was. >> that might have been true then, yeah. >> rose: with peter cook. >> peter cook was, absolutely. you talk about beyond the fringe, peter cook, jonathan miller, all of those guise. that probably was the high standard at that point. but what jo
yeah, and i had never been to america before. >> rose: first time you had ever been to america. >> yeah is so it was-- it moved fast, to the point that my stuff is still in storeage in london, that's how fast moves. so there is a time capsule of my previous life in south london. >> rose: what were you doing in london. >> i was doing staun, i was writing comedy for various tv shows and watching the daily show because i loved that was for me the high standard of satire and...
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america had in itself. he had a dream. he had a dwreem not in the frnt tense. he said i have a dream that one day my four children will-- future tense--" will be judged by the content of their character and not the color of their skin." >> he was an extraordinary-- i assume most of the people on this program know that the speech which was so celebrated that he gave was not the speech he intended to give. the speech he actually gave came about as a result of mehallia jackson. as he was reading from the prepared text of the speech. he somewhere during-- i don't know maybe the 25th paragraph of the speeches she had win. she show thed to him,"tell them with the dream, martib. tell them about the dream." aise said, i was stand, behind him-- this is all happening in real time. so he takes the prepared text, grabs the lectern, looks out on those almost 300,000 people, and this is all happening in real time, and i tirnd to the person who was next to me, and i said to them-- just spontaneously-- i said, "these peopl
america had in itself. he had a dream. he had a dwreem not in the frnt tense. he said i have a dream that one day my four children will-- future tense--" will be judged by the content of their character and not the color of their skin." >> he was an extraordinary-- i assume most of the people on this program know that the speech which was so celebrated that he gave was not the speech he intended to give. the speech he actually gave came about as a result of mehallia jackson. as...
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get the samsung galaxy s 4 for only $148 on verizon - america's largest 4g lte network. walmart. you may be muddling through allergies. try zyrtec® for powerful allergy relief. and zyrtec® is different than claritin® because it starts working faster on the first day you take it. zyrtec® love the air. >>> last night around 6:00 p.m., despite pleas from the american bar association and the national alliance on mental illness to grant a stay of execution and despite the fact that the execution of the mentally insane is unconstitutional, the state of florida executed john ferguson. ferguson was convicted of murdering eight people in south florida in the 1970s and became florida's fifth execution in less than a year. 40 years ago ferguson was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia and nearly every year since then government doctors have documented his many delusions. when he was alive, ferguson believed he was the prince of god, that he was being executed because he could control the sun, that the state couldn't kill him because he had special powers, and that his destiny was to be
get the samsung galaxy s 4 for only $148 on verizon - america's largest 4g lte network. walmart. you may be muddling through allergies. try zyrtec® for powerful allergy relief. and zyrtec® is different than claritin® because it starts working faster on the first day you take it. zyrtec® love the air. >>> last night around 6:00 p.m., despite pleas from the american bar association and the national alliance on mental illness to grant a stay of execution and despite the fact that the...
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we get to see everyone in america almost every day. and we've noticed that you're sending and receiving more packages than ever. so we wanted to give you a more reliable way to ship them. with improved priority mail flat rate. don't just take our word for it -- now we'll prove it every step of the way with tracking up to eleven scans, specified delivery dates, and free insurance up to $50 all for the same low rate. we'll never stop delivering for every person in this country. [ woman ] we are the united states postal service. [ man ] we are the united states postal service. [ woman #2 ] we are the united states postal service. [ male announcer ] we are the united states postal service. and our priority is you. go to usps.com® and try it today. >>> tonight, there is mounting international pressure on the syrian government over allegations it attacked an opposition stronghold with chemical weapons. cnn obtained graphic video from itv that may be difficult for many of you to watch, but we believe it's important for many to see. it was ca
we get to see everyone in america almost every day. and we've noticed that you're sending and receiving more packages than ever. so we wanted to give you a more reliable way to ship them. with improved priority mail flat rate. don't just take our word for it -- now we'll prove it every step of the way with tracking up to eleven scans, specified delivery dates, and free insurance up to $50 all for the same low rate. we'll never stop delivering for every person in this country. [ woman ] we are...
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but i would like to do the fast food workers of america a favor right now. you see these faces next to me, all these people have been saying terrible things about you. so i want you to remember these faces. and if any of these people happen to come into your restaurant, i'm not say shall did -- i'm not saying you should give them the special sauce, i'm just saying i think it's pretty clear they deserve telephone. we'll be right back?ç?çwóóooo?oo dtwc >> welcome back. there has been disspiriting news of the intractable war in sir ya, the collapse of egyptian democracy and the decision to extend under the dome from a miniseries to a full-fledged series. they're under a dome. they're going to run out of supplies. they're under a dome. the premise is not sustainable. they're in a dome. but at least this summer does have one thing over this time last year. there is not an election going on. >> there could be the first shots fired in the battle for 2016. >> ready for 2016. >> the war of words between governor chris christie and senator rand paul. >> first if s
but i would like to do the fast food workers of america a favor right now. you see these faces next to me, all these people have been saying terrible things about you. so i want you to remember these faces. and if any of these people happen to come into your restaurant, i'm not say shall did -- i'm not saying you should give them the special sauce, i'm just saying i think it's pretty clear they deserve telephone. we'll be right back?ç?çwóóooo?oo dtwc >> welcome back. there has been...
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>> we're ready to go like that. >> america's allies circling the wagons as well. british prime minister david cameron recalling parliament to discuss action. we want to talk about this with retired u.s. army major general and cnn analyst james "spider "marks and jeremy bash, the chief of staff for leon panetta and worked at the cia as well. chuck hagel said the su.s. is ready to act. with what, how and on what targets? >> i tell what you we're going to see initially is a strike limited because it's going against an array of targets that have been identified which belong to the assad regime that enables that regime to conduct its war making abilities and deliver the chemical weapons, command and control facilities, intelligence facilities, barracks facilities, integrated air defense, even the navy. it's important that we realize those strikes could be initiated immediately because those target folders, as they're called, have been in place and updated as a matter of routine. the intelligence community does that routinely. so these targets are identified and it's ju
>> we're ready to go like that. >> america's allies circling the wagons as well. british prime minister david cameron recalling parliament to discuss action. we want to talk about this with retired u.s. army major general and cnn analyst james "spider "marks and jeremy bash, the chief of staff for leon panetta and worked at the cia as well. chuck hagel said the su.s. is ready to act. with what, how and on what targets? >> i tell what you we're going to see initially...
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we must say, "wake up america! wake up!" for we cannot stop, and we will not and cannot be patient. >> but the real work was ahead, wasn't it? >> but i knew, as dr. king said in his speech, we had to go back to the south. we had to go. we had to leave the mountaintop. and being in washington, being on the steps of the lincoln memorial, was a great feeling. to be standing there in the shadow of abraham lincoln. but we have to go back into the heart of alabama, back to georgia, back to mississippi and back to other parts of america and to make real the hopes and dreams of a people. >> but when you did that in the preceding years, you got your head bashed in. >> well, that was part of the price we had to pay in order to make it real, make it plain, make it simple. daddy king, martin luther king jr.'s father, used to say to him over and over again, "make it plain, son. make it plain." by marching to the steps of the lincoln memorial, we were trying to make it plain. not just to politicians, but to the american people. i said to
we must say, "wake up america! wake up!" for we cannot stop, and we will not and cannot be patient. >> but the real work was ahead, wasn't it? >> but i knew, as dr. king said in his speech, we had to go back to the south. we had to go. we had to leave the mountaintop. and being in washington, being on the steps of the lincoln memorial, was a great feeling. to be standing there in the shadow of abraham lincoln. but we have to go back into the heart of alabama, back to...
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. >> the day that changed america forever. the march on washington. august 28th, 1963. ♪ >> people of all races, regular people from all walks of life, marching against injustice, marching to change history. >> we are the moral revolution. >> how long? we want our freedom and we want it now. >> a call to ask and a call for peace. a word that inspired a people, a nation and the entire world. >> free at least, free at least. thank god almighty we are free at least. >> tonight a special hour-hour toll particulars nation. the march on washington. the dream continues. >>> good evening. i'm al sharpton live from the lincoln memorial here on the national mall. first years ago hundreds of thousands of people stood where i am right now watching history. millions more watching at home, seeing the leaders of the civil rights movement. call for justice and equality. i talked to him from the exact spot where he can spoke 50 years ago. and we'll hear some of the young people who traveled hundreds of miles to help change the course of history. i'm honored to begin
. >> the day that changed america forever. the march on washington. august 28th, 1963. ♪ >> people of all races, regular people from all walks of life, marching against injustice, marching to change history. >> we are the moral revolution. >> how long? we want our freedom and we want it now. >> a call to ask and a call for peace. a word that inspired a people, a nation and the entire world. >> free at least, free at least. thank god almighty we are free at...
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they've given a piece of their heart to america. and america will always honor their sacrifice. i know some of you recently returned from afghanistan. on behalf of a grateful nation, welcome home. we send our prayers to all those who at this very moment are still in harm's way, including your regimental combat team seven, which is coming home this month. i know some of you are getting ready to deploy in the months to come. this is still a hard fight. our afghan partners have stepped up. they're bearing a bigger brunt of the firepower, taking on a lot more casualties. they're in the lead. but it's still tough, and we're still needed. and here's what i want every single one of your to know. because of you, that 9/11 generation, we are accomplishing what we set out to do. because of you, osama bin laden is no more. because of you, al qaeda's top ranks have been hammered. the core of al qaeda in afghanistan in pakistan is on the way to defeat. that happened because of you. because of you, more afghans are reclaiming their communities. their markets, their schools, their towns. and t
they've given a piece of their heart to america. and america will always honor their sacrifice. i know some of you recently returned from afghanistan. on behalf of a grateful nation, welcome home. we send our prayers to all those who at this very moment are still in harm's way, including your regimental combat team seven, which is coming home this month. i know some of you are getting ready to deploy in the months to come. this is still a hard fight. our afghan partners have stepped up. they're...
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and black america? >> exactly. so he's trapped in that regard. when you see the march on washington, the people who attended that day were excited and nervous. they were taking steps to meet the other half of the country and say we are patriotic. they were scared. the city of washington cut off liquor sales that day. they were scared of it. we assume that african-americans are going to take all the risks to expose ourselves. the lessin of american history we only make progress when there's reciprocation, when the rest of us, when white america is taking some risk, too. that's what makes -- that's the good side of racial history. >> i'm going to ask this question i asked when i did a special friday, the 100th anniversary of the march on washington, what's the discussion going to be about? >> the discussion is going to be are we still a nation that recognizes that activism, the african-american experience is crucial to helping america live up to its stated ideals. i think we're still going to have that di
and black america? >> exactly. so he's trapped in that regard. when you see the march on washington, the people who attended that day were excited and nervous. they were taking steps to meet the other half of the country and say we are patriotic. they were scared. the city of washington cut off liquor sales that day. they were scared of it. we assume that african-americans are going to take all the risks to expose ourselves. the lessin of american history we only make progress when...
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called "collision 2012, obama versus romney and the future of elections in america." the pendulum is swinging in the republican party now. as the party moves hard right, will they really try another establishment time like romney or dole or mccain or christie or jeb bush? or will the party go for one of its tea party heroes like rand paul? here with me now is the author of the great book "collision 2016." dan, let's talk about what you call the subterranean campaign of 2012 and what it offers us in the future. >> we think of the campaign as the campaign we all cover all the time. everything we talk about, every utterance, every gaffe, every debate, every movement. and that's part of politics and in many ways the interesting and enjoyable part of politics, but it's not necessarily the decisive part of politics. there are important and powerful underlying forces that effect every campaign. in 2012, one was the economy. would it be just good enough to allow president obama to win re-election or bad enough to deny re-election. another was voter anger. which direction woul
called "collision 2012, obama versus romney and the future of elections in america." the pendulum is swinging in the republican party now. as the party moves hard right, will they really try another establishment time like romney or dole or mccain or christie or jeb bush? or will the party go for one of its tea party heroes like rand paul? here with me now is the author of the great book "collision 2016." dan, let's talk about what you call the subterranean campaign of 2012...
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is there nothing else that led america to this. >> president obama is cancelling his meeting with russia's president putin over tensions becausest n.s.a. leaker edward snowden. >> john: yes, that is clearly the only reason. it's-- it's always a good idea to pad out with what you really want to say with self-righteous human rights stuff like, "kimberly, we need a break. i don't like your stance on chine and tibetan monks and your boobs are weirding me out." if we want snowden back all we need to do is convince vladimir putin that snowden is gay. that away wayhe'llob a plane into u.s. custody faster than a definitely not homoerotic team of elastic clad men. that quick. actually, russia is not only global leadership story we're dealing with tonight which brins us to our new segment... indeed. now, we've already dealt with russia, so let's see where our magical dploab will take us next egypt! egypt. i just lift egypt. i'm not-- i'm not used to guns. ( laughter ) as the situation in egypt continues to devolve, the u.s. like a polar bear on a hastily melting glackier is trying to act like everyt
is there nothing else that led america to this. >> president obama is cancelling his meeting with russia's president putin over tensions becausest n.s.a. leaker edward snowden. >> john: yes, that is clearly the only reason. it's-- it's always a good idea to pad out with what you really want to say with self-righteous human rights stuff like, "kimberly, we need a break. i don't like your stance on chine and tibetan monks and your boobs are weirding me out." if we want...
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america is a better america because of the march on washington. and we are a better people. (applause) you now have a graphic novel called "march, book 1." and this is a graphic novel of your life, how you were inspired to join the civil rights movement and this is the march across the edmund pettis bridgton road to selma. and this was for voting rights, wasn't it? >> it was, people in selma, like so many other parts of the south, could not register to vote because of the color of their skin. in selma people had to stand in what we called unmovable lines. you could only attempt to register to vote on the first and third monday of each month. >> stephen: the first and third monday. >> right. you had to pass a so-called literacy test, pay a poll tax. on one occasion a man was asked the number of bubbles in a bar of soap. on another occasion a man was asked to count the jelly beans in a jar. >> stephen: how many bubbles are there in a bar of soap? >> well, i don't know. >> stephen: should you be allowed to vote then? i guess obviously -- each state gets to set their own standar
america is a better america because of the march on washington. and we are a better people. (applause) you now have a graphic novel called "march, book 1." and this is a graphic novel of your life, how you were inspired to join the civil rights movement and this is the march across the edmund pettis bridgton road to selma. and this was for voting rights, wasn't it? >> it was, people in selma, like so many other parts of the south, could not register to vote because of the color...
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but i think america might be surprised at the amount you have to go through. you have go out and warn people. this has got to be serious stuff. >> when you hear about 22 embassies and consulates that will be closed on sunday and even france, britain, and germany are considering the same things, do you feel like it's going go beyond just one day? i mean why inform the potential enemy that it would just be for a day? >> look. this is a classic "rock in a hard place" space statiocenario. i can tell you what people would say. why didn't you tell us. you're stuck saying, i know it's vague, it's not extremely helpful, but we don't have much option. >> and then we understand there's been appointed the head of al qaeda in the arabian peninsula the new number two person. how significant is that? does it have anything to do with the threats? >> i'm not certain it has anything to do. it tells me two things. the organization is under such stress in pakistan, the area where al qaeda corps have been constructed, you have to go to yemen. you have the traditional saudis. that
but i think america might be surprised at the amount you have to go through. you have go out and warn people. this has got to be serious stuff. >> when you hear about 22 embassies and consulates that will be closed on sunday and even france, britain, and germany are considering the same things, do you feel like it's going go beyond just one day? i mean why inform the potential enemy that it would just be for a day? >> look. this is a classic "rock in a hard place" space...